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LloydMiller wrote:

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Ole Dude wrote:
I find inconsistencies in your formulation of a Rockefeller-Saudi alliance opposed to Anglo forces when the Saudi monarchy itself was a creation by England and has served to rule the Saudi people as England's proxy since 1927.

It is very clear the Rockefellers took over in this regard from the British during and after World War II. The Rockefellers got the US government to build the key oil pipeline required for "War Purposes" though the oil was never used during the war. I have written extensively about this in the old Yahoo forum.

Sometimes I think you are a LaRouchie or something.

The evidence you provide here is unconvincing. That the Rockefellers got the US government to build a key oil pipeline does not prove that British influence on the Saudi monarchy was diminished. Attempting to follow your logic leads to confusion repeatedly.

It is known that the CIA overthrew Mosedeq at the behest of MI-6. So who controls the CIA.....Rockefeller or the British Imperialists. Whose puppet was the Shah? Now Iran and Saudi Arabia find themselves to be enemies at the same time they are both presumably enemies of Israel. Is Rockefeller supporting both Saudi Arabia and Iran?

The CFR has a well documented lineage to the British Round Table. David Rockefeller has been a dominant figure in the CFR.

I can consistently put together a plausible scenario supporting the view that the primary effort to establish world hegemony via a NWO is British Imperialist sponsored. I cannot do that with Rockefeller. The Rockefellers are at best powers come lately as compared to British world influence. America even with her enormous military and economic power is but the brawn of the long term political machine established by and headed by the British elite. I perceive you to be caught up in multiple Hegelian conflicts designed to promote British elite control of the resolution. What do you think was behind the creation of the Arab-Israeli conflict to begin with? You deal in perceptions and contrivances not fundamental realities.

LloydMiller wrote:

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Ole Dude wrote:

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It is known that the CIA overthrew Mosedeq at the behest of MI-6.

No such thing is "known" with certainty as you imply.

From wikipedia:

[edit] Plot to depose Mosaddeq

The government of the United Kingdom had grown increasingly distressed over Mosaddeq's policies and were especially bitter over the loss of their control of the Iranian oil industry. Repeated attempts to reach a settlement had failed.

Unable to resolve the issue single handedly due to its post-World War II problems, Britain looked towards the United States to settle the issue. Initially America had opposed British policies. "After American mediation had failed several times to bring about a settlement", American Secretary of State Dean Acheson "concluded that the British were 'destructive and determined on a rule or ruin policy in Iran.'"^[29] By early 1953, however, there was a new Republican party presidential administration in the United States.

Despite Mosaddeq's open disgust with socialism, Winston Churchill told the United States that Mosaddeq was increasingly "turning towards communism" and was moving Iran towards the Soviet sphere at a time of high Cold War fears.^{[30][31][32][33]}

Acting on the opposition to Mosaddeq by the British government and fears that he was, or would become, dependent on the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party at a time of expanding Soviet influence,^[34] the United States and Britain began to publicly denounce Mosaddeq's policies for Iran as harmful to the country.

In the mean time the already precarious alliance between Mosaddeq and Kashani was severed in January 1953, when Kashani opposed Mosaddeq's demand that his increased powers be extended for a period of one year.

[edit] Operation Ajax

In October 1952, Mosaddeq declared that Britain was "an enemy", and cut all diplomatic relations with the United Kingdom. In November and December 1952, British intelligence officials suggested to American intelligence that the prime minister should be ousted. The new US administration under Dwight D. Eisenhower and the British government under Winston Churchill agreed to work together toward Mosaddeq's removal. In March 1953, Secretary of State John Foster Dulles directed the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), which was headed by his younger brother Allen Dulles, to draft plans to overthrow Mosaddeq.^[35]

On 4 April 1953, CIA director Dulles approved US$1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mosaddeq." Soon the CIA's Tehran station started to launch a propaganda campaign against Mosaddeq. Finally, according to The New York Times, in early June, American and British intelligence officials met again, this time in Beirut, and put the finishing touches on the strategy. Soon afterward, according to his later published accounts, the chief of the CIA's Near East and Africa division, Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. the grandson of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt, arrived in Tehran to direct it.^[36] In 2000, The New York Times made partial publication of a leaked CIA document titled, "Clandestine Service History - Overthrow of Premier Mosaddeq of Iran - November 1952-August 1953." This document describes the planning and execution conducted by the American and British governments. The New York Times published this critical document with the names censored. The New York Times also limited its publication to scanned image (bitmap) format, rather than machine-readable text. This document was eventually published properly - in text form, and fully unexpurgated. The complete CIA document is now http://web.payk.net/polit...ished/one-main/main.html href="http://web.payk.net/politics/cia-docs/published/one-main/main.html" rel=nofollow>web published. The word 'blowback' appeared for the very first time in this document.

LloydMiller wrote:

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In any case, the oil industry was not returned to the Brits, but turned over to the Rockefellers. The Brits were really pissed about that. I have read about it repeatedly over the years.

Instead of coming to the aid of the British property rights as Churchill expected, the Rockefellers used the opportunity to "down" their old enemies..

Correction! (you surprise me, Lloyd)

From wikipedia BP article:
The AIOC became the British Petroleum Company in 1954, and resumed operations in Iran and tried to return to its old position.^[5] However "public opinion was so opposed that the new government could not permit it." Instead an international consortium under the nationalized name (National Iranian Oil Company) was created, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company being just one member and holding 40% of the shares. The consortium agreed to share profits on a 50-50 basis with Iran, "but not to open its books to Iranian auditors or to allow Iranians onto its board of directors."^[7] AIOC, as a part of the Anglo-American coup d'état deal, it was not allowed to monopolize Iranian oil as before. It was limited to a 40% share in a new international consortium. For the rest, 40% went to the five major American companies and 20% went to Royal Dutch Shell and Compagnie Française des Pétroles, now Total S.A..^[8]

BP continued to operate in Iran until the Islamic Revolution in 1979.