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Lloyd Sez: Recorded a kinda interesting Chat I had on FaceBook this afternoon:

Conor

HI LLOYD

5:27pmLloyd

Wow! This function actually works?

5:27pmConor

haha yes it's great thank you for your reply on the plumme book. is it a good read?

5:28pmLloyd

The Plumme book is very unique and unusual. I found his concept of "power groups" revolutionary. . .

5:30pmConor

i'm sure. i was very taken with fuller's ideas about the great pirates. that appears in Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth and other s books of his. How long have you been into conspiarcy thoeries

5:31pmLloyd

Since approx. the publication of Gary Allen's None Dare Call It Conspiracy. I started reading all his reference materials and ultimately came to somewhat different conclusions.

5:32pmConor

i must check that one out, it influenced Alex Jones too. Do you listen/read Webster Tarpley

5:34pmLloyd

Yes, but I have turned against him and other LaRouchies. . . LaRouche started-out anti-Rockefeller, but now supports the Rockefeller/Islamic/Saudi cabal. . . far worse than anything the British and Zionism is trying to bring us. Apparently, no one sees the Rockefeller/Rothschild conflict but me. Really crucial in my opinion.

5:36pmConor

i'm not well versed in that subject. I dont see Tarpley as a Larouchie because he denouced them a political cult and there was something recently on EIR about tarpley being totally wrong about 9/11. Larouche has some interesting ideas but there is something very strange and cultish going on in his speeches. What about the whole jeramiah duggan thing?

5:38pmLloyd

I've wondered why no one views Tarpley as a LaRouchie anymore. All I know is that his ideas are ESSENTIALLY LaRouchie. LaRouche thinks 911 was an inside job emaniting from Zionists/NeoConservatives. Isn't that what Tarpley thinks.

5:40pmLloyd

I think 911 was a Rockefeller/Saudi operation. The Rockefellers are out to have ONE WORLD in alliance or domination via Islam. The Islamic 911 terrorism was successful in apparently irreparably dividing America. . . then they put up a probably Islamic or Islamic sympathizer as PRESIDENT! TOO MUCH!

5:41pmConor

their ideas are very similar. different views on 9/11 and on obama for a while. Tarpley never emphasized the zionist

5:43pmConor

i think he sees it more as the last ditch at world domination by ... imperialists. i dont think he he's ever said whos above kissinger, brzinski

so wheres a good place to start learning about rockefellers v rothschilds

5:45pmLloyd

A key point for me is that the Zionists and Neo-Conservatives oppose the UN, thinking it was a grave mistake, a suicide for the West and like McCain think it should be replaced with an alliance of pro-Western countries.

5:47pmConor

never thought of that. I tend to think Israel and zionists dont have as much power as some people give credit for and the real conflict is betwenn USA, Russia China. Middle east proxy / side show

5:48pmLloyd

Dr. Emanuel Josephson is one of the best sources on the Rockefeller vs British Empire theory. Actually, the Rothschilds are not the ultimate power in the Anglo side of things in my opinion. Note that a Lady Rothshild, big in the City, switched out of the DEM Party when it became clear Obama would win. Obama was groomed by Rockefeller right-hand man Zbig. Kinssinger worked for Rockefeller, but later admitted he was working for the policies of the Royal Institute for International Affairs!

5:49pmConor

catham house

yes i've heard of it

5:51pmLloyd

Well, national conflicts are important. But, the main problem is that America is gravely divided between Rockefeller and Neo-Conservative/Zionist forces. David Rockefeller made his Saudi Alliance and opposition to Israel very clear in his AutoBio. He is very old now. I wonder if his heirs will have the same disasterous policies.

5:53pmConor

very interesting. but on 911 you think his motive was geopolitical, securing energy corridors etc?

5:55pmLloyd

The Rockefeller fortune is divided amongst 100s of heirs now, but is handled in TRUST, CENTRALLY, originally by the 5 sons of JD, Jr., but exactly who is in control now is not clear to me. I think David and Senator Rockefeller control the purse strings to what may STILL be the largest fortune on Earth. Allied with the Saudis, this power bloc is nearly unstoppable.

5:56pmLloyd

I think the Rock MOB is deadly serious about acheiving ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT and has decided to work via Islam. It seems incredible, but others have admired Islam as a possible one world relgion: George Bernard Shaw, Hitler, etc.

5:57pmConor

ha! do you know Buckminster Fuller forsaw alot of this in 60's

he thought that as corperations become more powerful than states

5:57pmLloyd

The Rockefeller's motive is to destroy the world primacy of the Anglo-American alliance

5:58pmConor

a one world government.

I thought Rockefeller was part of the anglo american clique

true i've not heard of them in any skull and bones stuff

5:59pmLloyd

Actually, I think Fuller just put a new name on the well known EMPIRE of the CITY (of London). The British Empire actually started-out as a Piracy Operation under Elizabeth I! Fuller denied it. . ., but

6:00pmConor

oh yes. hence my interest in the the east india company, the great pirates

6:00pmLloyd

No, the Rockefellers have always been in conflict with the British Empire, esp. British Petrol and Royal Dutch Shell. The

6:00pmConor

sounds true.

so who is the visible agents of the Rothschild side as you would have it

6:00pmLloyd

Rockefellers were close to GERMANY, the Kaiser and Hitler, via their Bankers, the WARBURGS who were in conflict with the Britsh and Rothschilds.

6:04pmLloyd

What I call the Judeo-Masonic/Anglophile Cabal is in retreat. Actually, the Rothschilds are quite active on their own account. There has been a tremendous shake-up in the major Corporations lately. I would assume Goldman Sachs = Rockefeller. Lehman Bros. was probably Rothshild and bit the dust. . . etc.

6:06pmLloyd

Averell Harriman, an Anglophile all the way, was the KING PIN of Skull and Bones. Harriman's Investment Bank was practically a branch of London's . . .someting Shipley, memory fails. Harriman used to PERSONALLY control the Democrat Party.

6:06pmConor

i would agree that America as we know ( i live in Ireland tho) is being destroyed by design and it is extremely frightening. I think the globalists are going to get more and more centralized power

6:09pmLloyd

Yes, if America is laid low, the power vacuum will be filled. Ya, I'd think it could be worse, much worse! Islam is projected to take-over Europe via demographics. The Brits gave Islam too much in Britain. I hope Ireland hasn't been as stupid as France, England, Holland, Germany, etc.

6:13pmConor

I dont believe Islam is inherently bad, mixed with extreme poverty and desperation expressed in fundamentalism is not a fair representation. I believe in religous freedom. But getting back to Tarpley I think good jobs and fair economics will help that. But on your point I can never see joe six pack signing up for islam , it would take 5 generations!

6:17pmLloyd

I can't agree. Islam is a cut and past job from Judaism, Christianity, and Arab Paganism designed EXPLICITY for world conquest. Judaism was designed to get its "PROMISED LAND", not the whole world. Christianity was otherworldly and for Peace, at least as preached in the New Testament. Islam is specifically designed by a MILITARIST for world conquest. Its been in remission for Centuries, but now is back, fueld by oil revenue. Global warming propaganda prevents widespread production of oil which would BREAK OPEC and Islam.

6:18pmLloyd

Been nice chatting, but my wife call for errands I must complete as evening approaches!

6:18pmConor

many thanks for those insights I will paypal soon

cheerio from Belfast

Amazing how one can have an instantaneous "chat" with someone as far away as Belfast! I should have asked if he is Protestant or Catholic!