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This goes to far. Its one thing to disagree with a philosophy not your own, but then to disparage it in this manner? To far.

No where in the degrees of masonry is any sexual act suggested, and to take Pikes quotes out of context to their meaning, with out citing page and purpose is just plain dishonest.

The links are at the original and I have seen stories come out about gay perversion amongst masons. And the priests that raped kids are even worse scumbags - I admit. But if you know about elite masonry, this is correct. Read about Crowley's rituals - they're totally gay.

i am schedualed to join the fraternity.at 22 years old i enter with my own ieas on civility and every faith that they will not be tyrinnically re moulded.we as individuals make our own preferences.references to luciferian connections are also poppycott!!! bad men infultrate every organisation and it is the task of the good to offset the bad.life is reminiscent of a chessboard! black fights white! and white fights black! alway has,always will!

The history and symbols of the Knights Templar also suggest homosexuality. A large part of Masonry is based on Templarism. . . some claim Masonry's goal was to re-create Templarism.

Ok, what is the context that makes the following NOT a reference to ritual homosexual experience:

********He states that an initiate "commemorates in sacramental observance this mysterious passion; and while partaking of the raw flesh of the victim, seems to be invigorated by a fresh draught from the fountain of universal life....Hence the significance of the phallus."7 ********

The other possible interpretation is CANNIBALISM!

Here's the entire paragraph in context (with the posted excerpt bolded):

"Man descended from the elemental Forces or Titans [Elohim], who fed on the body of the Pantheistic Deity creating the Universe by self-sacrifice, commemorates in sacramental observance this mysterious passion; and while partaking of the raw flesh of the victim, seems to be invigorated by a fresh draught from the fountain of universal life, to receive a new pledge of regenerated existence. Death is the inseparable antecedent of life; the seed dies in order to produce the plant, and earth itself is rent asunder and dies at the birth of Dionusos. Hence the significancy of the phallus, or of its inoffensive substitute, the obelisk, rising as an emblem of resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity at Lerna or at Sais."
http://sacred-texts.com/mas/md/md25.htm

I can't understand Pike - nor do I care to - but the excerpt seems to have been deliberate in order to give the impression of homosexuality. The "partaking of the raw flesh" bit, is actually the Titans, and the phallus bit makes sense in context as well. But ... whatever - the guy's still nuts anyway! And so are the Masons for using the book.

Pike cribbed heavily from Eliphas Levi, as did Crowley. So maybe Levi was as gay as Crowley - ditto for Pike. Levi was a Templar nut too, and is responsible for the famous androgynous Baphomet drawing!

Well, no! The "partaking of raw flesh" is what man does to commemorate (in occult ritual) what the Titans did in the creation of the world (according to Pike).

Of course, the Catholic Mass (partaking of the flesh of Christ to commemorate Christ's sacrifice for mankind)is also suggestive of either cannibalism or oral sex in similar ways. The holy water dispenser is notoriously phallic as well. Maybe Catholic rituals are a bit too "suggestive" to Priests and lead too many to experiment with the choir boys.

Crowley from his AutoBio does not seem particularly gay in the sense of "loving the same sex", but single-minded in pursuing the occult secrets which he ultimately claimed to find in ritual homosexual and other sex acts.

I don't have the references handy, but, certainly, Crowley claimed to have found an occult secret of a immense value in ritual, homosexual, oral sex (spiritual regeneration, lucidity, yadda, yadda). Crowley said with only a little equivocation to avoid pornocgraphy laws what Pike seems to be only hinting at obliquely. Apparently, Crowley thought he had discovered an entire occult science he labelled "Sex Magic."

The full context of the Pike quote validates my memory of how he wrote. The "hint" is glaringly apparent ONLY with the clipping of words shown in the original quote under discussion.

There's virtually nothing sexual about the mass/divine liturgy in our symbolism. But even still, heterosexual sex in marriage does have powerful symbolism and is, for us, a sacrament. God made the phallus - we aren't prudes, but we think it has a purpose and that purpose is between a man and a woman in marital union. Read Genesis 18-19. And no, the eating of the Eucharist is in no way, ever, in our symbolism, read as something sexual, except that the union of man and woman is compared to Christ and the Church, but that is imagery - we don't draw from that the blasphemous idea that we are sexually united to Jesus - it's the other way around, the union of man and woman is an image of the divine. That's why Crowley took it and sexualized it the other way. And no, the holy water dispenser is not phallic. Is anything that is extended phallic? That's silly. In order to do semiotics and symbology rightly, we look to that system's meanings and intended purposes, not inventing whatever we want. In Masonry, there is inner-masonic evidence that points in that way. You will never find in our theology something that makes the holy water dispenser phallic, nor will you find phallic worship, other than what is imported from some other semiotic system and pasted on.

Oh snap... I just noticed that my kitchen faucet is phallic.

Give me a break...

Just to be upfront, in spite of being born Catholic, I have big problems with the Catholic Church on many levels especially when it has been a close partner of the State.

However, unlike most critics, I try to maintain a reasonable perspective. Compared to say, Islam, the Satanic Occult, or the LEFT, the Catholic Church is a fountain of reason and hope for humanity.

Most recently, in the face of the prospect of Euthanasia and "Nationalization of the Human Body" raised by ObamaCare, I am thankful for the remaining influence of the Church in promoting its conception of the sanctity of of "LIFE" eventhough I think the Church goes too far in endorsing State policing of private decisions on abortion and, at least in the past, contraception.

It is especially clear right now, with Obama trotting out his DEATH SCIENTISTS, that disagreements over the borderline issues should not blind us to basic agreements.

That said, the central rituals of the Church involving the Altar, the Eucharist, etc. seem atavistic, drawing on pagan symbols and brutalities which so fascinate the Satanic Occultists like Crowley, LaVey, etc. Altars, historically, it seems to me, were for bloody sacrifice of animals and even humans. Admittedly, the Catholic Church probably was doing its best to end brutal Pagan practices by keeping the concept of "sacrifice" but injecting a new uplifting, humanity transforming meaning via the story of Christ.

On the other hand, the Inquisition makes one wonder about the motives of the Church.

Is anything "extended" phallic?

This depends on your theory of the human mind. If you believe the "tabula rasa" theory (blank slate) theory, then no. To see the phallus in anything extended, a person would have to be actively seeking such titillation or prompting for sexual license. Does not the Catholic Church via Aristotle/Aquinas endorse the tabula rasa theory and consider evil thoughts sinful?

However, if Jung and other "instinct" theorists are correct and the rational mind is built (evolved) upon a primitive animal brain (so it would appear by study of anatomy), then anything "extended" may provoke automatically, beyond individual will, thoughts of the phallus and its use. (Of course, the exercise of a reasonable moral code could keep this in bounds even so.)

Note that Albert Pike refers to this by bringing up the obelisk as an "inoffensive" phallic symbol: "Hence the significancy of the phallus, or of its inoffensive substitute, the obelisk, rising as an emblem of resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity at Lerna or at Sais."

It has been claimed it was the Masons who designed the Washington Monument as an obelisk to commemorate the "father of our country."

I think I recall Michael Hoffman drawing attention to the obelisk "erected" in the Vatican as evidence of Satanic influence within the Church.

Ruminating on:

Are all "instinct" theorists (Freud, Jung, etc etc) to be rejected as "Satanic" from a Catholic perspective? Certainly, both Freud and Jung appeared to lose their moral bearings to an extent due to their "delving" into the instincts via meditative (occult?) practices.

Freud's psychology has been identified by some as Satanic fantasy. Freud went pretty far apparently in his personal experimentation with cocaine and sex. Jung went so far as to bring a second woman into his home, practicing polygamy. Certainly, he went far beyond rational/scientific inspection of the subconscious instinct/archetypes, creating an occult religion based on such introspection, claiming visions, voices. . .God knows what.

Jung thought the Catholic Church's condemnatory approach to reality of the subconscious/unconscious instincts/archetypes of the human mind was wrong headed and amounts to denial of reality in pursuit of the unattainable ideal of a "pure and perfect" Christ-like consciousness. Of course, he though Satan is simply a Catholic symbol for the subconscious/unconscious. He thought Catholic consciousness unstable because of this "denial". He thought it a mistake to think humanity can be improved by urging it to deny the reality of unconscious instincts. He often said one must "give the devil his due," . . . a slippery slope as evidence by his own life.

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To put it another way, it seems Jung thought the Catholic Church enjoins the faithful to "deny" instincts/archetypes and "project" them on Satan.

Thus, the Catholic would see himself struggling against an outside force, Satan, instead of struggling against impulses arising from within.


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