Curtis Campbell Who benefits when the flames of hatred are fanned between Christians and Muslims? Cui Bono?
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-li ne/2010/08/charles_krauthammers_transparent_dodge.html
(I would have linked to Krauthammer's actual article but the one above quotes the hatred of moslems I would have copied. As it is WaPo ...wants registration and Townhall only has old columns. In his column, Chucky pointed out Obama's two-faced message. But in the end he continues to attack islam while claiming he isn't.
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In either case, moslems throughout the world are worried over the BS here.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-0823-mosque-muslim-react-20100823,0,7775670.story
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Derek Skinner In 1970 the largest cathedral in Africa was built in Cairo, St. Mark's Coptic Cathedral. Before the cathedral was finished Pope Paul VI returned to Egypt the body of St. Mark. With much ceremony this was placed in a grave beneath the main altar. Nowadays, weekly meetings are held there where the pope addresses the crowds.August 22 at 11:22pm · -
Derek Skinner I had no idea these churches existed, I just googled christian churches in... and found these examples. I wonder how many have been built recently though.August 22 at 11:34pm · -
Derek SkinnerTehran has 11 functioning synagogues, many of them with Hebrew schools. It has two kosher restaurants, and a Jewish hospital, an old-age home and a cemetery. There is a Jewish representative in the Iranian parliament. There is a Jewish libr...ary with 20,000 titles, its reading room decorated with a photograph of the Ayatollah Khomeini.
http://www.sephardicstudies.org/iran.htmlSee More August 22 at 11:37pm · -
Jason LeVeck I bet my life you won't find any of that in israel.Monday at 9:11am · -
James Thomason FOX & Friends...Monday at 11:19am · -
Lloyd Miller Americans SHOULD hate Islam because it is dedicated as laid down in the Koran to the destruction of all other civilizations. Awareness of the inherent conflict with Islam BENEFITS America and Western Civilization. The sooner we recognize the problem, the sooner we will disallow further immigration, appeasement, etc.Monday at 4:27pm · · -
Jason LeVeckIslam is not the enemy, the US zionist controlled gov't and israel are the problem right along with other complicit nations. We pay train and fund "terrorist" organizations so that we can invade other countries and then out huge monopolisti...c corporations can steal the natural resources and cheap slave like labor of those nations. This is all about money under the guise of religion. Our media lies to us and idiots believe them. Lots of people get along perfectly fine that our media always reports on and says they are fighting eachother and it is lies. The main people who cannot get along are the zionist scum in israel and the palestinians and this is because the zionist don't wanna get along they want extermination of arabs.See MoreMonday at 4:50pm · -
Curtis CampbellAmericans should practice what they preach about religious liberty BUT there is the Reagan saying of "trust but verify." We should pay attention to what goes on and keep in mind that many of these moslems are not converts but are imports du...e to our immigration policy.
I recall Bush being accused of launching a new crusade against islam. Of course, this wasn't true although there was a story about him saying God told him to invade Iraq. He was acting as a willing puppet with the neocons who got him into office along with lots of help from AIPAC.
Jason, you're right about us being played. I've gotten to where I cannot watch CNN because when they're not pushing some kind of globalization, they're playing race cards. (not that Fox News is any better) See MoreMonday at 7:01pm · · 1 personLoading... -
Curtis CampbellI learned of the Jewish Community in Iran a few years ago. They number in the 30k to 40k range. Typically, these communities go back hundreds of years and more. So their traditional existence there is strong. But so is Zoroastrianism which ...existed there (and originated there) before Islam. Many people in Iran were forced to convert or take the sword when the area was conquered by the Arabs around 1500 years ago. Nowadays, missionaries DO have to be careful in these areas. Some who convert have been disowned, attacked, and killed for converting to Christianity. Although this extreme treatment does not happen in Israel to Christians, ones who work to convert Jews there are not welcome.
The Orthodox churches seem to be an exception to the rule about churches in the area but they are rare and do not expand. A recent 60 Minutes story covered the presence of the church in Turkey and how a religious school was forced to close. See MoreMonday at 7:15pm · -
Curtis Campbell Interesting link. I noticed they are careful to point out that they are jews and not zionists. Zionism is mostly about the land; judaism is about the religion.Monday at 7:18pm · -
Curtis CampbellWhat Krauthammer wrote:
" Radical Islam is not, by any means, a majority of Islam. But with its financiers, clerics, propagandists, trainers, leaders, operatives and sympathizers -- according to a conservative estimate, it commands the al...legiance of 7 percent of Muslims, i.e., more than 80 million souls -- it is a very powerful strain within Islam. It has changed the course of nations and affected the lives of millions. It is the reason every airport in the West is an armed camp and every land is on constant alert.
Ground Zero is the site of the most lethal attack of that worldwide movement, which consists entirely of Muslims, acts in the name of Islam and is deeply embedded within the Islamic world. These are regrettable facts, but facts they are. And that is why putting up a monument to Islam in this place is not just insensitive but provocative."See MoreMonday at 7:32pm · -
Lloyd Miller Krauthammer has it right, EXCEPT he fails to note the inherent dedication of Islam to world conquest. Sure, not all Islamics are activiely dedicated to violent Jihad, but they don't actively oppose those in active Jihad either BECAUSE they KNOW the Koran endorses the radicals. The 7% radicals are often the leaders of the rest because the 7% have the courage to interpret the Koran as it was written and act on it!Tuesday at 6:40am · · -
Christopher Herman @ Lloyd - Do you think more Americans have been killed by illegal aliens or by Islamic terrorists?Tuesday at 2:09pm · -
Jason LeVeck I'll take illegal aliens for 10,000 Alex.Tuesday at 2:20pm · -
Lloyd Miller Christopher: Doesn't matter how many people are killed at this time by who. That is not a relevant point AT ALL. That statistic is baby talk. Islam is dedicated to conquering all other civilizations. They are making progress all around the world. Ther must be a deep appreciation of this fact in the Western World or we dead meat in the long run. . .Tuesday at 7:45pm · · -
Curtis Campbell Good ole guilt by association. By this logic, ALL Catholics are supportive of pedophiles because they didn't "actively oppose those in active" pedophilia.Tuesday at 8:42pm · -
Lloyd Miller Absurdly irrational STUPID statement Curtis. Neither the New Testament or any Catholic doctrines CALL for pedophilia. The KORAN and traditional Muslim Traditions handed down from Mohammad DEMMAND violent Jihad and world conquest! Unless a Muslim TOTALLY ignores the documents and traditions of Islam, he MUST at least passively support Muslim world conquest! And, guess what, THEY DO!Yesterday at 7:22am · · -
Jason LeVeckNo they don't Lloyd. I've read large swaths of the Koran and it never once talks about killing infidels or sweeping the planet in islam. It speaks of benevolently spreading islam because obviously they, like christians believe they hold the... ultimate truth. Religion is mostly for cowards and those that cannot think for themselves, it has always been used as a tool for brainwashing. It is not all bad but it is not all good nearly either. Good and bad in everything and everyone. Take your eyeballs off the TV set and stop listening to the bullshit that the major broadcasters show about the world and islam. It is all CIA disnformation garbage to build up a case to continue killing civillians and harvesting valuable natural resources on the cheap. This has always been the CIA's main deal ever since the end of WWII. They supplant democratically elected people in other countries and install brutal/bloodthirtsy dictators that serve the best interests of huge western corporate monopolies. These wars are about religion and profit and more so about the profit.See MoreYesterday at 9:02am · -
Curtis CampbellIt's not stupid to use an analogy. Anyone can do that. But it takes real brains to understand one and NOT make false accusations. There was nothing in my statement that said "the New Testament or any Catholic doctrines CALL for pedophilia."...
The logic I pointed to was the logic of saying that because 93% of moslems do not fight the 7% (contestable) who do support jihad that they are some kind of accomplices. That is the logic of Krauthammer and obviously yours as well.
You claim that "they must support muslim world conquest." Have you talked to the 1.whatever Billion muslims to find out? Whose set of facts are you dealing with.
My main point was that SOME benefit greatly by playing Christians (and the US) against moslems (in the mideast). You have obviously been played to support one side. See MoreYesterday at 8:09pm · -
Lloyd MillerJason: Read all of it then and find the quotes. Others have and can point out the pages for you. There are some peaceful quotations that can be found, but they come from a time when Mohammad was working from a position of weakness. Late...r violent quotes take precendence.
Analogy is not the problem. The Koran does call for world conquest and does call for converting everyone to Islam or taxing the Jews and Christians as 2nd class citizens. Atheists and pagans are shown no mercy whatsoever. WAKE UP! Islam would be our enemy if Zionism never existed. Israel is like and early warning or lightening rod.
The Crusaders learned of Jewish ghettos from Islamics and brought the idea back to Europe.See More22 hours ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Egypt is run by a pro-Western dictatorship. The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed. Islamaic radicals killed Sadat. There will be no Church in Egypt with the radicals finally take-over.22 hours ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Jason try reading how Islam conquered from Cordoba in Spain to the Philipines BEFORE THE USA even existed. In India they piled HINDU heads into pyramids! And the filthy rotten Imam in charge of the 911 Mosque project had the nerve to call his project, the CORDOBA project! Wake up!21 hours ago · · -
Christopher HermanOne of my problems with the Horowitz clique is that, if Islam is the threat they contest that it is (and I do not overall disagree with them) I think that on balance they should acknowledge that the U.S government itself was complicit in pr...omoting Islam for various strategic purposes.
Lloyd, you can attribute this to the "Rockefeller-controlled CIA", but why is it that I never see anything but a defense of the CIA from neoconservative circles?
The problem is, perhaps, that neoconservatives have an innate aversion to any conspiratorial explanations of anything except as it might relate to either (Soviet-based) Communism or Islam.See More19 hours ago via Email Reply · -
Curtis CampbellLloyd, I have to admit that there are parts of the koran that DO call for jihad and conversion of others. And a very few do take those particular parts as their creed. But neither Clinton or Bush put the pressure on the Saudis to stop the W...ahabbi/madrassa programs. The same is true for the Pakistanis who DID distribute WMDs and make nuke bombs while the US ..... did nothing. BUT if the arabs/moslems did become the major threat, I would far rather they and the Israelis fight it out amongst themselves while we stay above the fray. Instead we continue our global chessboard policy of Zbiggy and Kissinger as well as doing the bidding of Israel. Read the book Israel Lobby. The have major control over our foreign policy in the mideast which has been very costly for the US in blood and "treasure" (treasury notes/debt).
Christopher, the neocons do believe in conspiracies - but only Democrat/progressive/liberal ones. CFR, Bilderberg, etc are harmless and anyone who believes anything other than the official story on 9/11, FEMA camps, Bohemian Grove, etc is a fool. See More53 minutes ago · -
Curtis Campbell Lloyd, also part of what you attribute to Islam was actually just barbaric arabs invading and conquering areas just as much as others have done for centuries with some allowing "religious freedom" and others saying our way or the highway. Some would counter your case for Cordoba to the Philippines with Cortez in Mexico. Recently I had to make the case against someone's TIME magazine post about intolerance in America with it's usual globalist CNN anti-protestant-white racism.49 minutes ago · -
Lloyd MillerChristopher! Of course, Islam was seen as an ally of the West in the fight against Communism! The Pope and Reagan agreed! I agreed!
However, the Rockefellers had a different agenda in their alliance with Saudi Arabia! Cashing out of ARAM...CO and replacing it with OPEC for whom they would "recycle" Petro dollars through their banking! There appears to have been a Saudi/Rockefeller plot to control first Afghanistan and then Central Asia oil via an empire of MUSLIM fundamentalists. Bush blew that to smithereens! That's one of the reasons the Saudi/Rocks were so mad at Bush as shown via the NY Times. Now we see the whole ESTABLISHMENT arrayed to defend the 911 Mosque!
The NeoCons were VERY VERY critical of the CIA going its own way in defiance of BUSH!See More28 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd MillerArab desert warriors never made made much progress in conquest until the child molesting Mohammad cut and pasted Islam together from Judaism and Christianity and used it to enslave the people conquered PERMANENTLY! Perhaps the most effecti...ve technology of enslavement EVER INVENTED!
The Rockefeller/Saudi BIG oil combine is very very powerful and hard to beat. Clinton was a Rockefeller pawn. Bush backed down when he realized he was bucking the Rockefellers and the Saudis.
YES! Of course, the Catholic Church was once a STATE RELIGION in much the same sense as Islam. What the Catholic Church did in "Latin America" was on a par with Islam! Maybe the Spanish got their ideas from the long occupation of Spain by Islam!
Fortunately, the NEW TESTAMENT when actually read does not support enslavement! Quite the contrary!
Now, we are doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia! If we attack Iran it will because the King of Saudi Arabia gives the US and Israelis the green light against his Shiite rivals!See More21 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Christopher! You talk like the US government is a unitary thing! No, it is a set of power levels open for grabs amongst various power factions! David Rockefeller has be arguing AGAINST the alliance with Israel and FOR alliance with Saudi Arabia for many decades!19 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Curtis, remember! Willis Carto is a Nazi! Like his mentor Hitler, he admires ISLAM! He sees Islam as an ally against the Jews. Nazis are traitors to Western Civilization! They conspire with Western Civilization's only REAL ENEMY, Islam! Islam has be stopped from taking Europe in Spain and Austria. . . their second big puch is now underway using the Rockefeller/Big Oil 5th Column and their new found financial power based on oil.15 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Christopher! Take that splinter versus log in the eye and can it! It does not apply in GEOPOLITICS at all!12 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Hatred of Islam is completely justified and rational. It should be promoted to a fever pitch! If Muslims are going to live in America or Europe they should be made perfectly aware we won't tolerate the slightest step toward their detestable culture!8 minutes ago · · -
Lloyd Miller Far from being afraid telling it like it is might lead to war, we should welcome any conflict NOW while the West still has the power to win!7 minutes ago · ·





